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Oh man. This leaves me feeling sick....

The starting line up was adventurous and brave, just as we like it in Rotterdam. We gave it all we got but still lost, again, to our bloody enemy. Damn it.

Sure hope the finances clear up, because we need some more quality if we want to compete for the silverware.
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What a match!

And great effort!

Brilliant match for the neutral!

A rather good season overall - challenged for CL places, bagged Europa and a cup final - all with being massively in debt
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AJ wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:19 am Oh man. This leaves me feeling sick....

The starting line up was adventurous and brave, just as we like it in Rotterdam. We gave it all we got but still lost, again, to our bloody enemy. Damn it.

Sure hope the finances clear up, because we need some more quality if we want to compete for the silverware.
With some clever deals we should have more quality next year. We over-performed for a long time and the lack of quality and squad-depth finally showed.

But the cup final showed that we have a core of quality players already.
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Redknapp69 wrote: Wed Jan 25, 2023 9:51 am What a match!

And great effort!

Brilliant match for the neutral!

A rather good season overall - challenged for CL places, bagged Europa and a cup final - all with being massively in debt
Thanks. It's a step forward for the club. The money remains to be seen.
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Wrapping up the season

So we did not end the season well, but at least we qualified for European football. A club like Feyenoord should be playing European football every season. It's a disgrace when Feyenoord fail to qualify, as they did the previous year when they ended in tenth place.

Now it is safe to say that we owed a lot to our two players on loan, John Guidetti and Otman Bakkal, who scored no less than 40 goals between them.

Having said that, 20-year-old Stefan de Vrij was the revelation of the season and in some ways the same could be said of 30-year-old Ruben Schaken, our assist king.


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But our two players on loan returned to their respective clubs and so we had our work cut our for us. And because there were hardly any transfer funds available we would have to rely mostly on players from our own youth academy and players on loan - or very cheap players.

Of course we had already signed Daryl Janmaat and Ruud Vormer, who would be joining us on a free transfer in July, but they could not replace Bakkal or Guidetti.


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And then there were the playoffs. RKC were relegated and FC Zwolle took their place in the Eredivisie. They also changed their name to PEC Zwolle.


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Heracles Almelo, on the other hand, managed to avoid relegation by winning their group and so they stayed in the Eredivisie.


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Guidetti looks unhappy - maybe they would acept a bid of £0 and a future % fee!

Or another possible loan?

Could do with some interested in those transfer listed players
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Redknapp69 wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 10:46 am Guidetti looks unhappy - maybe they would accept a bid of £0 and a future % fee!

Or another possible loan?

Could do with some interested in those transfer listed players
There is no indication why he is unhappy, though. We shall see what we can do. Even with the debt there is at least some transfer money available.
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The summer transfer window 2012

When you don't have money to spend you have to be creative. Now to be totally honest, we did receive some transfer funds, probably from season tickets and merchandising, but that was only a pittance. Most of the money was needed to pay off our debts.

So first of all, there were the pre-arranged summer transfers of Daryl Janmaat and Ruud Vormer. Two quality players, certainly by Dutch standards.


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And then we managed to sign ADO Den Haag's attacking midfielder, Lex Immers. With Bakkal having returned to PSV we needed someone to replace him and Immers seemed the ideal player for that position.


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Now Guidetti and Bakkal were not the only players to leave the club that summer. We had four other players leave immediately after the previous season had ended, including another attacking midfielder, Ricky van Haaren.

All four of these players left on a free transfer, though.


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Now the reason Van Haaren left is that we promoted two young, but very talented attacking midfielders to the first team that summer, Jean-Paul Boëtius (18) and Tony Vilhena (17). So Van Haaren was informed that he could no longer count on getting much game time.

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So with Lex Immers we had the attacking midfielder who could replace Otman Bakkal and score ten goals for us. We also had good backup players for Immers in Jean-Paul Boëtius and Tony Vilhena. But we still needed to replace John Guidetti.

And with the little money we had available we managed to sign a relatively unknown but talented striker from our shortlist.

Boavista's 23-year-old Brazilian striker Gesider Luis de Sousa Silva (player name Dedé) was born in Espírito Santo, Brazil. In his younger years he played for Internacional and Atlético Mineiro where he made quite an impression. In 2006 he was the top scorer in the Brazilian under-17 championship, with seven goals in six matches.

So at age 17 Dedé moved to Portugal to play for Beira Mar. When he was introduced there he said: "I always thought of playing in Europe at age 24 or 25. I'm now here at age 17 and I'm very much hoping to succeed."

Dedé played at Beira Mar for three years, but at age 20 he moved to Ribeirão, the next year to Varzim and then to Boavista. He was valued at just 100K but our scouts believed in him.


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We also signed Middlesbrough's 19-year-old striker Luke Williams as backup for Dedé. Williams made his league debut on 28 December 2009, coming on as a substitute and in doing so he became the youngest Middlesbrough player in over a century, aged just 16 years and 200 days.


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And so we signed a total of five different players. And as usual some fans were optimistic - never stop dreaming - while others remained sceptical.


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We also had four of the previous season's key players sign new contracts. We had done all we could.


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We still had no world class players, but a decent squad nonetheless, especially if our own youngsters - Boëtius and Vilhena - would prove to be ready for Eredivisie football.


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Looking forward to the new strikers, both look real promising. Dede might well be next season's Kindvall!

Lex Immers is a workhorse, he'll fit right in!

All in all, there's not a lot of big names coming in. If we are to battle for the top spot and do well in Europe, we need more quality. A LOT more.
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AJ wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:35 pm Looking forward to the new strikers, both look real promising. Dede might well be next season's Kindvall!

Lex Immers is a workhorse, he'll fit right in!

All in all, there's not a lot of big names coming in. If we are to battle for the top spot and do well in Europe, we need more quality. A LOT more.
A lot more players, period. We have 23 players, Ajax have 44.

Fortunately you can only field 11 players.
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samsami wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:59 pm
AJ wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:35 pm Looking forward to the new strikers, both look real promising. Dede might well be next season's Kindvall!

Lex Immers is a workhorse, he'll fit right in!

All in all, there's not a lot of big names coming in. If we are to battle for the top spot and do well in Europe, we need more quality. A LOT more.
A lot more players, period. We have 23 players, Ajax have 44.

Fortunately you can only field 11 players.
I don't think we need a lot more players. I never have big squads. But a lot better players, that we do need.
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Happy with the 2 strikers

Youth promoted lads we know should do decent

Great news on new contracts

Couldnt have done much more given the finances
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I agree wth AJ. Maybe some free players? Aren't there any Ajax-players released? You need some quality. :lol:
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Pre-season friendlies

That summer we opted for an attacking 4-1-3-1-1 formation, so a formation without wingers but with wing backs to provide width to the team.

Martins Indi and Janmaat were expected to make forward runs as much as possible in order to assist the attack, but obviously they also had to track back to help the defence. It is a highly demanding position from a physical perspective given the ground that must be covered on the wing, but our wing backs had the necessary stamina and strength.

Vilhena and Boëtius played as attacking midfielders. This was an experiment and obviously we couldn't expect our two teenagers to play every single game, but we had Vormer, Schaken and Cabral on the bench.

Dedé was our new lone striker in our pre-season friendlies and Lex Immers played immediately behind Dedé as shadow striker.


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On the last Sunday of July Lex Immers played his former club, while Mokotjo started on the bench for ADO Den Haag and got game time against us in the second half.


Sunday 29th July 2012

"A good game for our lads."

"Our two youngsters immediately made their mark when Jean-Paul Boëtius scored the early opener with the assist of Tonny Vilhena. And when our new striker scored a glancing header from a Vlaar free-kick the crowd were elated."

"The second half was less exciting. We gave all of our subs game time but no further goals were scored. Still, a useful game for us. ADO did not have single shot on target."


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Our final friendly game, just before the season started in earnest, was against Blackburn Rovers in front of a crowd of 34,000.

Blackburn had ended in sixteenth place in the Premier League table the previous season so this was a good test match for our young team.


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We played the same formation as against ADO but this time we only brought on two subs in the second half.


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Saturday 4th July 2012

"Another very useful game for our lads."

"Rubén Rochina scored the early goal for Blackburn, but just before the break Ron Vlaar netted the equaliser from a Clasie corner and it's fair to say that the match was in balance, also in the second half when we brought on Ruud Vormer and young Luke Williams."

"To be honest, Boëtius and Vilhena were anonymous today while of our new signings Lex Immers also failed to make his mark. Janmaat, Vormer, Dedé and Williams all played quite well, though."

"There were no further goals, but it was a very helpful game for us. We obviously need to grow as a team."


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"And so the question is, are we ready for the new season, starting with games against NAC Breda, PEC Zwolle and Roda JC?"


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Meanwhile, Heerenveen played the Kazakhstan Premier League side Aqtóbe Fýtbol Klýby in a game which made many of us think what a shame it was that we could not afford to sign a striker like Bas Dost.


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But, of course, we did not have the £7M that Dost was valued at. We did receive a little bit more cash, though, when we sold Kaj Ramstein to Levante.


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And Diego Biseswar also left the club. With Lex Immers, Tony Vilhena and Jean-Paul Boëtius we had the attacking midfielders we needed to replace Bakkal, Van Haaren and Biseswar so we were not prepared to offer Biseswar a new contract.


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And our backup striker Gyon Fernandez left De Kuip as well. Like Mokotjo, Fernandez signed a contract with ADO Den Haag.


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We actually did try and sign a couple more players on loan, but without success. Royston Drenthe would have been very welcome and we could also have used an additional goalkeeper and Werner Hahn seemed a good option at the time.


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CMCZ wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:33 pm I agree with AJ. Maybe some free players? Aren't there any Ajax-players released? You need some quality. :lol:
Ajax even rejected the loan offer for their fourth goal keeper, Werner Hahn!
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Good results

I like the look of the team - some quality names but VERY young

Whats the finances now?

Hoping for a season with no major injuries or suspensions! Will be tough with European games as well!
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Redknapp69 wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:20 pm Good results

I like the look of the team - some quality names but VERY young

Whats the finances now?

Hoping for a season with no major injuries or suspensions! Will be tough with European games as well!
Fortunately we have Vlaar (27), El Ahmadi (27) and Immers (26). The others are indeed still (very) young - especially our defenders, although Janmaat is already 23 now.

Our finances look a lot better what with the season tickets, tv revenue and merchandising and less wages to pay. Perhaps in January we will be able to spend money again.
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The start of the second season

We started the season with an away game against NAC Breda at the Rat Verlegh Stadium. Not the most challenging game of the season, but not an easy game, either.

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We had Nelom start as left wing back, replacing the suspended Bruno Martins Indi, but other than that we played the same formation as in our pre-season friendlies.


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Saturday 11th August 2012

"A nervous affair."

"With five new players in our starting lineup our lads clearly still have to get used to each other. In fact, we were quite lucky that the post denied Schalk or we would already have been 1-0 down in the opening phase of the game."

"We slowly recovered, though, and NAC were unable to breach our defence until Vilhena tackled and knocked Buijs to the ground. A typical mistake for a seventeen-year-old but hopefully he will learn from it. Botteghin stepped up to take the penalty and he nestled the ball into the back of the net."

"After that goal NAC dropped the pace a little and they probably wish they had not done so because we took advantage of the situation and when Dedé caught Ten Rouwelaar off his line our striker scored his first official goal for the club with a high dipping shot!"

"In the second half we brought on Vormer for Vilhena and we created a handful of scoring chances. We also brought on Luke Williams for Lex Immers, but we lacked effectiveness in front of goal, although Dedé can hardly be blamed for hitting the bar with just ten minutes remaining."

"Vlaar and Janmaat were our best players today and Vlaar was actually named Man of the Match, although he picked up an injury towards the end of the game. Dedé scoring on his debut was also a definite plus. The end result was still somewhat disappointing, though."


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Thankfully Vlaar injury not bad

Good that Dede off the mark

In some ways feels 2 dropped but if you win your home games and don't lose away games to mid table or above you'll be doing pretty well!
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Redknapp69 wrote: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:42 am Thankfully Vlaar injury not bad

Good that Dede off the mark

In some ways feels 2 dropped but if you win your home games and don't lose away games to mid table or above you'll be doing pretty well!
Yes, in a way Dedé getting his first goal already was even more important than winning the game.
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A spectacular home game

Our first home game of the season was against newly promoted PEC Zwolle who had former ADO midfielder Richard Knopper (34) in their squad. PEC Zwolle played a defensive 4-5-1 formation and they had already impressed friends and foes alike by defeating AZ (3-1) in their opening game of the season!

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Martins Indi replaced the injured Ron Vlaar as central defender and we had Miquel Nelom as left wing back again. Nelom had played quite well against NAC Breda and we wanted to give him another chance, also because BMI prefers to play as central defender.


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Sunday 19th August 2012

"A fantastic team performance and a surprise hat-trick!"

"With just three minutes on the clock we had every reason to appeal for a penalty when El Makrini slid through Immers, only it wasn't given. However, we still got the opening goal when Clasie searched out Boëtius in the area and our young attacking midfielder tried a volley and got his first goal for Feyenoord!"

"Three minutes later our other youngster, Tony Vilhena, scored to double our lead but the goal was ruled out for offside. And because Dedé saw his effort smartly tipped over the bar some ten minutes later, the scoreline remained 1-0."

"After the break we brought on Luke Williams to replace the yellow-carded Lex Immers and ten minutes into the second half - just after Mamedov had skimmed the bar for PEC Zwolle - Clasie lifted a corner into the area and Dedé scored a powerful header to put us 2-0 up."

"And then Williams moment of glory arrived. It all happened so quickly. First Boëtius drove in low and when Ter Wielen pushed the ball away Williams was first to the rebound and scored. Twelve minutes later Clasie, who kept creating chances for us, put a low cross into the far post and Williams had a golden opportunity from close range and again he did not fail. And with five minutes remaining our young English forward completed his spectaculair hat-trick. Karim El Ahmadi laid the ball forward to Williams who only had to tap it past the Zwolle goalkeeper."

"A flattering scoreline, perhaps, but what an unforgettable game for young Luke Williams. Luke wasn't even all that much involved in play. He had no headers nor did he have any tackles, but he scored from all three of his shots on goal!"

"With his three assists, Jordy Clasie as our playmaker was named Man of the Match. KEA and Luke Williams also made their mark today."


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Lovely win and great for Luke as well to be off the mark - nice link up with Clasie!

Seems a good draw in Europa
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Are you sure you fielded Luke Williams and not Igor Korneev? No headers and no tackles sounds familiar...
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AJ wrote: Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:27 pm Are you sure you fielded Luke Williams and not Igor Korneev? No headers and no tackles sounds familiar...
At least he knows how to find the net. But we played a side who have a terrible defence. And there's more as you can find out tomorrow..."
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Mixed feelings

Our final game of the month was the away game against Roda JC at the Parkstad Limburg Stadium. Another challenging away game considering the fact that we had not succeeded in defeating Roda the previous season.

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Once again we started with Nelom and BMI - because Ron Vlaar was not 100% fit yet - and with Immers as shadow striker. There had been some discussion about having Williams play as #10 after his hat-trick against PEC Zwolle, but the fact remained that PEC were a newly relegated side and we had played them at home. And besides, Williams had still not convinced all of our staff. After all, his main achievement had been to score three goals, all of them tap-ins.


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Friday 24th August 2012

"Not quite what we had hoped for."

"After a scrappy first half with precious few scoring chances Mark-Jan Fledderus scored the opening goal just seconds before the final whistle was blown. A real setback."

"We played quite a bit better in the second half, with Ruud Vormer for the yellow-carded Tony Vilhena and with Luke Williams for the anonymous Lex Immers. In fact, within twelve minutes Dedé had already found the net with a superb volley with the assist coming from Karim El Ahmadi."

"However, Roda defended well after our equaliser and as we were struggling to find the net for a second time Luke Williams picked up an injury and had to go off. It didn't look too bad, but still…"

"In the remaining minutes Joost Terol did well for our hosts between the sticks and so the match ended in a draw, just like both previous encounters."


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"I must say I have mixed feelings after this second away game of the season. The good news is, we are still undefeated and Dedé keeps banging them in, while Luke Williams is definitely showing promise. But the bad news is, we have already dropped four precious points and Luke now has a big question mark behind his name. Once again he had zero headers and zero tackles, but there's more…


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"And so we are moving into September, wondering how we will fare in our first two European encounters with IFK Norrköping. Can Dedé live up to his promise? And how will Williams survive this crucial month?


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