Defensive Mentality Counter Attack (Non wib wob) part 2 ''Double Sweeper"

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Defensive Mentality Counter Attack (Non wib wob) part 2 ''Double Sweeper"

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Was Wondering If anyone fancied helping me perfect this tactic or have a few variants depending on strength of team compared to opposition or what tactics ai or human player is playing.

The DMC and AMC Pirlo and Rui Costa here are purely set up to fuel shev or inzaghi on the counter with non stop through balls. The midfield 3 all harass and press or man mark opposition midfield. The sweepers play like typical defenders I think this setting really helps the defensive mentality on non wb wob as they are stationed much deeper.

The dmc is not defensive in this tactic but more a deep lying playmaker perhaps for playing stronger teams you would stick gattuso there and have pirlo as a mc doing same job. The distibution of the gk works set on short passing and nesta as playmaker. some games the gk has nothing to do and you will see 90% 100% pass completion also. I think that would depend on the opposition tactic and how many players are in advanced positions or if they are pressing(if that is the case then you may need to got more direct and mixed from the passing at the back and put 2 upfront and and only have 2 cms instead of 3). Other options here would be not packing the midfield but having 2 wide mids and sitting the fbs on man mark to pick up opposition players who play lots of arrows forward or those freaky formations with lots of arrows up from mc and amc.

The 2 fullbacks currently pass to centre as i really want a tactic on counter where the 1 striker is just fed by a deep lying playmaker and an advanced one.

The roma game was a non event a complete stalemate with both teams only having 2 shots each and probably because my midfielders got tired totti eventually got free and scored a last gasp winner(if i had someone who was decent to sub for gattuso around the 70th minute perhaps i may of got a draw or nicked a win) plus the freaking ai moved totti's position 3 times in the match mc ml and then back to mc. The modena game shows how lethal it is on the counter and you will get many games like this if your midfield centre 3 are set up in the right mix of man marking or zonal against opposition midfield and attack.

The Base tactic is for download below

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https://ufile.io/y5gw0inp - non wib wob.
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Re: Defensive Mentality Counter Attack (Non wib wob) part 2 ''Double Sweeper"

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Hi leovii,

Would you mind uploading this tactic again - the file server says it has to be retrieved due to inactivity. I am looking to test and work on defensive/counter style non wib wob tactics and this has caught my attention.
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Re: Defensive Mentality Counter Attack (Non wib wob) part 2 ''Double Sweeper"

Post by alex91 »

HI
I've spent a lot of time trying to improve these types of tactics. Even with wib wob.
Poor results.
I think the reason is due to this:

The cm0102 manual explains that to be successful on the counterattack you need players who are skilled in speed and acceleration, creativity, off the ball and anticipation. Otherwise you can easily lose the ball in the opponent's half of the field.

I discovered thanks to CMscout intrinsic that there are no players who have positive intrinsic values in all these characteristics.
At the game code level, for this reason, I believe it is almost impossible to make a team that plays on the counterattack function properly.

It doesn't work much with big teams, but with small-medium teams you will never have the success of a tactic that plays without counterattacks.

If we could change the effectiveness of the counterattack at the code level to make it less complex, we could all be a little happier and have fun with this system too.
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Re: Defensive Mentality Counter Attack (Non wib wob) part 2 ''Double Sweeper"

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leovii wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:08 pm Was Wondering If anyone fancied helping me perfect this tactic or have a few variants depending on strength of team compared to opposition or what tactics ai or human player is playing.

The DMC and AMC Pirlo and Rui Costa here are purely set up to fuel shev or inzaghi on the counter with non stop through balls. The midfield 3 all harass and press or man mark opposition midfield. The sweepers play like typical defenders I think this setting really helps the defensive mentality on non wb wob as they are stationed much deeper.

The dmc is not defensive in this tactic but more a deep lying playmaker perhaps for playing stronger teams you would stick gattuso there and have pirlo as a mc doing same job. The distibution of the gk works set on short passing and nesta as playmaker. some games the gk has nothing to do and you will see 90% 100% pass completion also. I think that would depend on the opposition tactic and how many players are in advanced positions or if they are pressing(if that is the case then you may need to got more direct and mixed from the passing at the back and put 2 upfront and and only have 2 cms instead of 3). Other options here would be not packing the midfield but having 2 wide mids and sitting the fbs on man mark to pick up opposition players who play lots of arrows forward or those freaky formations with lots of arrows up from mc and amc.

The 2 fullbacks currently pass to centre as i really want a tactic on counter where the 1 striker is just fed by a deep lying playmaker and an advanced one.

The roma game was a non event a complete stalemate with both teams only having 2 shots each and probably because my midfielders got tired totti eventually got free and scored a last gasp winner(if i had someone who was decent to sub for gattuso around the 70th minute perhaps i may of got a draw or nicked a win) plus the freaking ai moved totti's position 3 times in the match mc ml and then back to mc. The modena game shows how lethal it is on the counter and you will get many games like this if your midfield centre 3 are set up in the right mix of man marking or zonal against opposition midfield and attack.

The Base tactic is for download below

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https://ufile.io/y5gw0inp - non wib wob.
Necroing this thread because I love nww and have recently come to understand a few things. Plus I can't PM you here.

In terms of defensive stability, I believe that having 2 sweepers and a traditional dmc works much better. Tick the counter attack off and go for an attacking mentality instead. The mid MC is what allows your team to grind the opponents throughout the 90 minutes but often falls short with some draws or narrow losses like you had vs Roma.

In my mind, the back 4 + DMC should make a compact defensive 5 (fb forward arrows to DMR/DML position instead of ML / MR) and mid CM should be a 2nd striker or an AMC with a forward arrow as a shadow striker, depending on the types of players you have.

That way you could play Sheva upfront with a free role (he is amazing at it) and have Inzaghi contribute way more in the poacher role. You can always revert to 1 striker after you've outscored the opposition this way and put an MC back in the middle instead of a striker. It's something that's normal in real life and should work really well in game too.

I'm currently testing some nww setups with 2 sweepers in my save and will report back with my findings.
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Re: Defensive Mentality Counter Attack (Non wib wob) part 2 ''Double Sweeper"

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Now, I am trying to win Serie A as Chievo manager with defensive tactics. But, I could not. Is there any suggestion?
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