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I have the DB. Next checks:

David Seaman CA 115
Robbie Earle CA 110
John Clayton CA 115
Carl Dale plays for Conwy United

- CA/PA levelling done in English Fourth Division

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I gave DB to Steve so my changes are in there :)
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Inverness Thistle

Stadium - Kingsmills Park 5,000 (600 Seats)

Chairman - John McDonald

Manager - Roshie Fraser
GK - Les Fridge - 27/08/1968

Billy Skinner DR
Billy Wilson DL
Gordon Hay (Midfielder)
Dave Milroy DC
Mike Andrew DC/SW
Brian Black (Defender)
Alastair Black (Midfielder)
Brian Fraser (Striker)
Billy Sanderson (Midfielder)
Allan MacDonald (Striker)
Jim Calder (Striker) Turned GK in 1986 (can you do both?)
Colin MacLean (Midfield
Ronnie Collie
Jim Oliver (Striker)

Caledonian F.C

Billy MacDonald (GK)
Iain Polworth
R. Summers
A. MacDonald

Charles Christie changed to Charlie Christie

Keith Chairman - Sandy Stables
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Fiorentina was in debt during the 1984/85 season, because I can't find it anywhere, Sócrates cost so much that they are 10 million in minus :)
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davdav wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:25 pm Haven't been able to contribute lately as I've been incredibly busy, but wanted to leave here a list of player counts for each nation and the respective ODB amount, might be useful to decide which nations should be researched further :) I'll probably pick up France again when I can get some free time

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| Nation               | 84 Count | ODB Count |
|----------------------|----------|-----------|
| Italy                | 3375     | 10595     |
| Portugal             | 2956     | 3898      |
| Spain                | 2800     | 4951      |
| England              | 2320     | 6616      |
| W Germany            | 1795     | 3654      |
| Soviet Union         | 1777     | 6551      |
| France               | 1615     | 2955      |
| Scotland             | 1460     | 2355      |
| E Germany            | 1193     | -         |
| Brazil               | 1193     | 6474      |
| Poland               | 1005     | 1499      |
| Turkey               | 885      | 4124      |
| Holland              | 794      | 1335      |
| Argentina            | 782      | 3294      |
| Belgium              | 770      | 2731      |
| Yugoslavia           | 736      | 5140      |
| Austria              | 729      | 437       |
| Czechoslovakia       | 572      | 1079      |
| Switzerland          | 538      | 391       |
| Greece               | 446      | 1475      |
| Romania              | 386      | 453       |
| Chile                | 308      | 749       |
| Mexico               | 305      | 806       |
| Denmark              | 301      | 1946      |
| U.S.A.               | 295      | 1282      |
| Hungary              | 290      | 446       |
| Sweden               | 272      | 6000      |
| Norway               | 269      | 3536      |
| Ireland              | 201      | 1825      |
| Uruguay              | 196      | 834       |
| Iceland              | 190      | 129       |
| Japan                | 183      | 1547      |
| Australia            | 182      | 2883      |
| Wales                | 165      | 723       |
| Bulgaria             | 164      | 324       |
| N.Ireland            | 152      | 1277      |
| Paraguay             | 149      | 350       |
| Israel               | 145      | 138       |
| Algeria              | 142      | 425       |
| Finland              | 138      | 1619      |
| Colombia             | 120      | 1210      |
| Ecuador              | 119      | 309       |
| Peru                 | 109      | 469       |
| Cyprus               | 97       | 60        |
| South Korea          | 86       | 772       |
| China                | 86       | 1726      |
| Canada               | 83       | 129       |
| Malta                | 83       | 525       |
| Nigeria              | 76       | 558       |
| Albania              | 75       | 127       |
| Bolivia              | 75       | 332       |
| Costa Rica           | 72       | 307       |
| Egypt                | 64       | 266       |
| Faroe Islands        | 62       | 224       |
| Morocco              | 58       | 191       |
| Honduras             | 57       | 160       |
| Saudi Arabia         | 51       | 26        |
| Cameroon             | 50       | 233       |
| New Zealand          | 50       | 86        |
| Tunisia              | 50       | 242       |
| Guinea-Bissau        | 50       | 28        |
| Senegal              | 47       | 120       |
| Iraq                 | 44       | 39        |
| Angola               | 43       | 138       |
| Iran                 | 43       | 46        |
| Thailand             | 40       | 89        |
| South Africa         | 37       | 624       |
| Kuwait               | 33       | 22        |
| Hong Kong            | 33       | 255       |
| Ghana                | 32       | 216       |
| Zimbabwe             | 31       | 72        |
| Indonesia            | 31       | 106       |
| Venezuela            | 30       | 280       |
| India                | 29       | 187       |
| El Salvador          | 28       | 231       |
| Qatar                | 26       | 1         |
| Zambia               | 25       | 90        |
| Bangladesh           | 23       | 13        |
| Malaysia             | 23       | 80        |
| Zaire                | 23       | 142       |
| Cape Verde           | 23       | 57        |
| Bahrain              | 22       | 1         |
| Guatemala            | 21       | 124       |
| Liberia              | 21       | 49        |
| Pakistan             | 20       | 1         |
| Jamaica              | 20       | 50        |
| North Korea          | 18       | 5         |
| Ivory Coast          | 18       | 125       |
| U.A.E.               | 17       | 1         |
| Jordan               | 15       | 22        |
| Mozambique           | 11       | 51        |
| Nepal                | 11       | 20        |
| Singapore            | 10       | 372       |
| Kampuchea            | 9        | 0         |
| South Yemen          | 9        | 1         |
| Syria                | 9        | 12        |
| Lebanon              | 8        | 63        |
| Philippines          | 8        | 3         |
| Liechtenstein        | 8        | 30        |
| Congo                | 8        | 28        |
| Afghanistan          | 7        | 1         |
| Fiji                 | 6        | 21        |
| San Marino           | 5        | 2         |
| Togo                 | 5        | 25        |
| Guinea               | 4        | 67        |
| St Kitts & Nevis     | 4        | 5         |
| Trinidad & Tobago    | 4        | 58        |
| St Lucia             | 3        | 4         |
| Mali                 | 3        | 40        |
| Bermuda              | 3        | 3         |
| Burma                | 3        | 0         |
| Chad                 | 3        | 2         |
| Gabon                | 3        | 52        |
| Panama               | 3        | 169       |
| Benin                | 3        | 10        |
| Guyana               | 3        | 3         |
| Haiti                | 3        | 4         |
| Luxembourg           | 3        | 190       |
| Surinam              | 2        | 6         |
| Vietnam              | 2        | 1         |
| Tanzania             | 2        | 11        |
| Andorra              | 2        | 41        |
| Cuba                 | 2        | 1         |
| Burkina Faso         | 2        | 54        |
| Sierra Leone         | 2        | 60        |
| São Tomé & Principe  | 2        | 3         |
| Bahamas              | 2        | 0         |
| St Vincent           | 1        | 7         |
| Madagascar           | 1        | 5         |
| North Yemen          | 1        | 0         |
| Papua New Guinea     | 1        | 0         |
| Dominica             | 1        | 1         |
| Barbados             | 1        | 10        |
| Tahiti               | 1        | 0         |
| Bhutan               | 1        | 0         |
| Ethiopia             | 1        | 57        |
| Antigua & Barbuda    | 1        | 20        |
| Grenada              | 1        | 2         |
| Oman                 | 0        | 0         |
| Guam                 | 0        | 0         |
| US Virgin Is.        | 0        | 0         |
| Namibia              | 0        | 26        |
| Mongolia             | 0        | 0         |
| Central African Rep. | 0        | 3         |
| Equatorial Guinea    | 0        | 1         |
| Botswana             | 0        | 19        |
| Aruba                | 0        | 0         |
| Macau                | 0        | 0         |
| Cook Islands         | 0        | 2         |
| Gambia               | 0        | 16        |
| Mauritius            | 0        | 22        |
| Netherlands Antilles | 0        | 0         |
| Laos                 | 0        | 0         |
| British Virgin Is.   | 0        | 0         |
| Uganda               | 0        | 17        |
| Solomon Islands      | 0        | 3         |
| Libya                | 0        | 29        |
| Somalia              | 0        | 1         |
| Western Samoa        | 0        | 1         |
| Djibouti             | 0        | 0         |
| Mauritania           | 0        | 3         |
| Montserrat           | 0        | 1         |
| Taiwan               | 0        | 0         |
| Dominican Republic   | 0        | 0         |
| Kenya                | 0        | 24        |
| Brunei               | 0        | 0         |
| Tonga                | 0        | 0         |
| Eastern Samoa        | 0        | 0         |
| Burundi              | 0        | 9         |
| Sri Lanka            | 0        | 0         |
| Turks and Caicos Is. | 0        | 0         |
| New Caledonia        | 0        | 0         |
| Eritrea              | 0        | 6         |
| Anguilla             | 0        | 0         |
| Rwanda               | 0        | 7         |
| Puerto Rico          | 0        | 0         |
| Vanuatu              | 0        | 0         |
| Sudan                | 0        | 1         |
| Belize               | 0        | 0         |
| Nicaragua            | 0        | 46        |
| Palestine            | 0        | 3         |
| Swaziland            | 0        | 17        |
| Cayman Islands       | 0        | 6         |
| Niger                | 0        | 14        |
| Maldives             | 0        | 0         |
| Malawi               | 0        | 29        |
| Seychelles           | 0        | 14        |
| Lesotho              | 0        | 20        |
This is why I was going on earlier in thread (November) about taking players from the 91 DB (or ODB) once the dupes were removed as that was over 4000 players but there were 3-4 dupes, though not all were genuine dupes.

Some pain for incredible gain.

Sadly I am not got at techy excel stuff but that seems a ready made solution rather than spending months looking up individual teams, which would still need to do but this would be a major boost to the DB.
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I found about 1,000 to add for Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland and non-league England & Scotland will put them in next week.

They will just be stubs and many won't have DOB's (as don't have the data) but it'll boost the number count and it will be real players.

As and when an "expert" arrives to help with those nations, can refine them accordingly...
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Yeah I am going to sound like a right grump but given I must have put in personally over 20k plus players myself I am not up at all for putting in fake name players.

Wtf, can next person delete 42 year old Manfred Frankowski of Nantes, who never played for Nantes and retired in 1967 after 27 games in his career :lol:

Taking a break from editing and doing random French histories, went through all strikers in top flight wihtout histories, this chap never got capped but had some career!
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Purely on self interest but I’ll do as much research into the highland league as I can.

I’m working my way through each team currently to get it up to a playable league.
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I have used the games editor plenty so know how that works but can someone explain in basic terms how a mass upload works? What is needed etc. At this stage I wouldn't even think about attempting to help, but if I could update a game of my own while gaining experience It would be something I would be interested in doing.
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ICTPaisley wrote: Sat Feb 10, 2024 7:21 pm I have used the games editor plenty so know how that works but can someone explain in basic terms how a mass upload works? What is needed etc. At this stage I wouldn't even think about attempting to help, but if I could update a game of my own while gaining experience It would be something I would be interested in doing.
On the back of this I have downloaded Transfer Tool v1.1.4 and managed to import one player into the game which seem's to be fine. My question would be if you don't have the D.O.B for a player what has everyone been doing? Can you just enter in a random date or can this be auto populated? Not sure the latter works with getting the correct age range.
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Oh it's really easy, Transfer Tool 1.1.4 to insert them. You work on it as an excel but insert it as a csv.

I have attached one i did recently and the blank original which explains it better - https://www.sendspace.com/file/ul9csq

Ignore the space at bottom then 3 entries, i added them with editor, don't think it would like a space between the data.

The game editor is better if you know attributes but for just inserting in 100s of players excel is best.

Just leave the D0B blank or make one up. The team name has to be the long name.

Tbh if the websites list just the year, i use a varety of my date, month or my wife, sons or parents lol. It doesn't really matter, if we know put the correct dob.

I put in highland team data i could find, even looked online to see if i could find a 84/85 book for highland league.

I have Buckie Thistle but dont know their first names -

Buckie Thistle - The team was – Mitchell, Thain (Ewen sub), Mason, Link, Shearer, McPherson, Nicol, Stephen,Smith (Anderson sub), Pirie, and Cowie.

Got it from this - https://buckieheritage.org/pdf/1984.pdf
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Already have a query.... I tried to change the name of someone and it kept the existing player and then added a new version of the same player but with the updated first name. I was then struggling to remove this so started again. Is this something that can be done or should any edits of player names etc be left until updated in the editor?
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Yeah was going to say don’t change peoples names in the editor, it often will delete all the players called Charles for example they will have no first name and then you will have just Charlie Christie and no Charles left in the db.

Best to delete Charles Christie and recreate as Charlie Christie if you are that fussed.

Best to go back to Steve’s 299 if you have done that.

Found a Facebook group which will be a goldmine for highland data.

Got this -

Huntly FC 1984-85 Season.

Back row; - Bob Fraser, Fred Chalmers, Jim Watson, Stewart Grant, Frank Krukowski, David Paterson, Derek Nicol, Willie Lawson, & George Robertson. Front Row; - Jim Blacklaw, Charlie Ferries, Ally Brebner, Colin Walker, & Eddie Copland.

https://www.facebook.com/share/rLZnhnDT ... tid=K35XfP

Just search 1984 in that group and it’s a goldmine of player full names and more.
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Yeah cheers, I've been looking through that Facebook Page today and seen some decent amount of squads there to be added. I've got a few Caley and Thistle programmes from around 84 as well so hoping there is a good bit of detail to be used in that. I'll work away and see how I get on anyway.
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Exciting! Having a playable Highland league was not something I was expecting so hail Beez for the idea and the genius of Davdav!!!

I even asked on one of the highland league Facebook teams page under a photo of the 84/85 cup winning squad for playing positions but was dingied.
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When adding staff can this be done with the Transfer Tool? I exported the staff list spreadsheets but wasn't too sure and I couldn't see where to add jobs.
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Don’t think so, happy to be proved wrong though.

What I do is work on my excel and have a notepad file with notes of staff, clubs to add or players to move to different clubs.

I then insert my new players then go into editor and then make my changes then upload my new version after inserting the player histories again as every time you use the editor it deletes random player histories.
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Any idea why Maradona has decisions 10 now?

He had 20 in the last CM he was in CM3 and his footballing decision making was perfect, just not his life decisions.
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i'm playing this DB, but the Uefa Champions Cup has the group format. Is possible to have the old knockout format with only champions? And also Cup Winners Cup.
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Taking the DB to add some Caribbean and Central American players. 204 added. Panama, El Salvador and Guatemala among those covered.

V300- https://www.sendspace.com/file/vl0dh6

Checks- Lyndon Hooper has Canadian and Guyana nationality
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kevinkeegansmullet wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:29 pm Taking the DB to add some Caribbean and Central American players.
Just beat me to it!

Can you send me over your Transfer Tool file once you are done? I have around 100 to add for Jamaica, Honduras, Panama, Canada, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Trinidad and USA - just want to make sure I don't duplicate any!
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SteveHarle wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:34 pm
kevinkeegansmullet wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:29 pm Taking the DB to add some Caribbean and Central American players.
Just beat me to it!

Can you send me over your Transfer Tool file once you are done? I have around 100 to add for Jamaica, Honduras, Panama, Canada, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Trinidad and USA - just want to make sure I don't duplicate any!
Unfortunate timing! Link to the file is below, I've sent the csv in a PM as well.
I've changed some club names where either I couldn't find them or they aren't in the DB. Feel free to adjust them.
https://www.sendspace.com/file/502an2
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Nice, thanks. I stripped out any duplicates I had - only about 20 so worked out OK!

I have the DB. Checks are fine, next:

Barry Town have 21 players
U.C.D have 17 players
Fleetwood have 13 players
54,083 staff are in the database

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V301B - https://www.sendspace.com/file/o23df7

Checks:
- 274 configs
- Bearzot, Bingham, Mike England are in the right place.
- ASC La Linguère de Saint-Louis is a Senegalise club with Amara Traoré moved to them.
- Gilles Rousset caps removed.
- Bernard Lama has CA 115.

It's literally taken a week of pain but added playing histories for every player in French Division 1.

Edit, made a few changes to history file on reviewing one by one but that's cool, can go in next one.

Can next peron put Jean-Pierre Mottet PA to 130-140 please.
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