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Taking the DB for approx. 45 mins.

- Not as exciting as davdav but Scotland Top Division CA/PA review complete and ready for testing.

Next checks:

- Jim Easton first nationality is Canada
- Colin Harris plays for Dundee
- Craig Adams DOB is 17.12.1964
- John Bourke CA 110 PA 115

International managers all accounted for.

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Jim Easton is an interesting one.

He was born in Dumbarton which is 15 minute drive away from me. Started his career in America, then played in Scotland then played in Canada who he then represented nationally from 1982.

Digging further his Dad played in America and managed in Canada, how cool.

https://www.national-football-teams.com ... aston.html

Reminds me of one of ny best friends who sadly is no longer with us, he is in CM 9798 through to early FMs, his Mum is Kenyan I think it was and they actually approached him and asked if he would be interested in representing them nationally but he said he just wanted to play for Scotland.

Had things panned out differently he might have played for Kenya but was out game by 22/23 through injury.
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Reviewed Yugoslavia internationals 1970-84.

Notes for me or someone else, I am not back until wednesday as away with work as usual.
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I guess Kenya isn't highly rated, but a shame missing out on some international football either way!
V354: https://www.sendspace.com/file/7mew49
Exe (fast and normal): https://www.sendspace.com/file/4rizvs

Added a few players in Brazil, and got everything set up for the Chile league to be playable :)
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Checks:
- International managers OK
- 463 configs
- 3084 Brazilian players
- Chilean league and cup have histories

And changed these club short names:
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Is Mexico playable? Could be interesting
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Yes Mexico is playable, along with Austria, Hungary, Switzerland, east and west Germany, Soviet Union united again with old the old clubs before communism fell, Yugoslavia, Romania and Czechoslovakia off top of my head.
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Cam F, sorry if I might be wrong on this, but, there isn't playable Hungary (althought would be cool)
Btw, excellent and incredible work as always. That italian league add is top notch.
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nunu wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 6:15 pm Cam F, sorry if I might be wrong on this, but, there isn't playable Hungary (althought would be cool)
Btw, excellent and incredible work as always. That italian league add is top notch.
As davdav says here, he's had problems adding the Hungarian league.
davdav wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 2:15 pm
kevinkeegansmullet wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 1:41 pm @davdav - if you are interested and able to activate the Chilean Primera Liga, the teams and players and managers are all there. It is a weird one though, as in 1984 they had 2 divisions (North and South), then playoffs for the championship and relegation. In all other seasons, there was just one league with varying number of teams- 22 in 1983, 20 in 1985, before slowing reducing teams to 16 for the 1987 season.
Personally I would be tempted to have a 16 team top division (as it has been most years), with a second division of about 16 teams (which would mostly have a good number of players still). I guess a simple league would be easier than adding playoffs too?

But firstly, no worries if you choose not to do this extra work. If you do decide to do it differently, that's entirely up to you as well. I don't think there is a clear best solution. Thanks!
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I'd actually started looking into it after seeing your recent work with Chile! I'd tried replacing Japan with Hungary before but it had too many problems, but with Chile it worked just fine. No second division though (moved it to Italy to make Serie C2/D), but there's an 18-team first division - basically all the teams that weren't relegated in 1984 - and the cup.
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V355- https://www.sendspace.com/file/y0iboy

Added mostly South African players, have started looking at the teams there (though not sure how much there is available beyond the top teams).
Also added a few more Chilean staff

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- International managers OK
- 465 configs
- 98 South Africa players
- Nelson Dladla at Kaizer Chiefs

Quick question for davdav- on loading the league in Chile, Argentinean players are labelled as foreign. I know it is possible to fix this by removing foreign player restrictions in a patch, but is there a way to get a South American equivalent of the EU in place with Chile, Argentina & Uruguay? It's not a big issue I know, just am curious.
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Amazing work on Chile kevinkeegansmullet! and Davdav the magician with the exe

Maybe need to look at positions if they were left as blank as lots of defenders defaulting to right back or right midfield.

Maybe better to give them an even spread of positions at some point. I did that for Soviet Union but will have to go back and fix that to give a balance of positions in squads.

Doing a all nations all leagues test while working.
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where did you find these players from KKM? I spent a while looking for South Africans and couldn't get much.

Was interesting (and a bit eye opening) reading about the Black/White only leagues then them merging and teams being limited to how many black players they could have... madness to think that this was happening not that long ago...

I'm doing some bits in Update HQ next few weeks so will be in the background for a bit but will chip in here and there as I need to performance test and analyse Scotland and Italy a bit to see what needs tweaking.
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kevinkeegansmullet wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 9:58 amis there a way to get a South American equivalent of the EU in place with Chile, Argentina & Uruguay? It's not a big issue I know, just am curious.
Looks like it is possible :)
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This is the full list of current playable nations that are listed in OP, thanks to our resident magicians Davdav and Sir Nick.

Argentina
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Chile
Czechoslovakia
Denmark
East Germany
England
France
Greece
Holland
Italy
Mexico
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Scotland
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
USA
USSR
West Germany
Yugoslavia
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Has Chile not replaced Japan now?
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Oh aye. Forgot about that.
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SteveHarle wrote: Wed May 15, 2024 11:18 am where did you find these players from KKM? I spent a while looking for South Africans and couldn't get much.

Was interesting (and a bit eye opening) reading about the Black/White only leagues then them merging and teams being limited to how many black players they could have... madness to think that this was happening not that long ago...
Agree on the leagues there being fascinating, it seems like soccer was one of the first things to be mixed (10 years before the end of apartheid).

One useful link is this FB page- "South African Football History".
It has profiles on a lot of older players and I went through all previous posts. It is being constantly updated, so there might be more relevant players appearing soon.
Otherwise it has been a real mix. There was a fair bit on the Kaizer Chiefs website (e.g. https://www.kaizerchiefs.com/news/memoi ... -1980-1985), a bit for Orlando Pirates (https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/orland ... 35acca2796), some other facebook pages (e.g. https://www.facebook.com/OPFCHistory/?locale=en_GB) and found some obituaries as well for a few players.
Next step is to look at scorers from 1984 & 1985 (https://www.rsssf.org/tablesz/zaf85.html, http://www.todor66.com/football/Africa/ ... t_Cup.html) and then try to find more details on those players.

Plus lots of Wikipedia, both to double check entries and then if I find a mention of another player (e.g. player x formed a combination with player y) then looking up the next player, and so on. I've done that a fair bit as well from articles online where they interview players on their favourite colleagues, worst opponent etc.
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V355B: https://www.sendspace.com/file/v6qc6x

Checks:
- 476 configs
- Bearzot, Bingham, Mike England are in the right place.
- Rodney Marsh has playing history
- Drago Vabec set to retire, one of the most versitle players ever!

Added all my Yugoslavian internationals from 70-84, will do their histories next.

Can next person remove Roy Wegerle's dual nationality, he is getting capped by South Africa before game even starts. I removed Tony Dorigo's Australian dual nationality for same reason.
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Davdav, I was thinking having done some really long tests, when you release a new exe with the chile foreign rule change, can you change the Milk Cup back to the league cup please. In the year 2002 it wasn’t the milk cup, it wasn’t even that in the 90s.

A nice quirk when we first started but we have come on so far to have a sponsor name on cup, loved it though I did.
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Just after 84 but a few good old fashioned tackles.



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Man, watching those almost feels like looking at a completely different sport :) The things you could get away with back then...

V355C: https://www.sendspace.com/file/02uklw
New exes (fast and normal speed): https://www.sendspace.com/file/gir8rt

Starting to clean up Brazil staff a bit, some of them were still playing back then. And changed the League Cup as requested, along with the Chile foreigners edit :)
Also, for the history file, changed Borisa Dordevic's last name to Djordjevic

Checks:
- 476 configs
- Bearzot, Bingham, Mike England are in the right place
- Cilinho manager at São Paulo
- Paulo Autuori coach at São Bento

Some notes on Wegerle and Dorigo that I found:
- Roy Wegerle: Born and raised in South Africa, he was naturalized as a U.S. citizen in 1991.
- Tony Dorigo: Dorigo was initially called up by Australia for the 1986 World Cup qualifying campaign. However Aston Villa manager Tony Barton refused Dorigo permission to travel. Barton felt that playing for Australia would be a waste of time for Dorigo as their opponents were generally weaker opposition from Oceania.

Haven't changed either of them, but in theory Wegerle should be just S.African and Dorigo just Australian
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I have DB

Got totally distracted researching this morning!

Players killed during Yugoslavian war. Did aparteit mean Wegerle didn't play for South Africa?

But even better, snitches get stitches :lol:

Roy Wegerle - According to former U.S. national team coach Steve Sampson, Wegerle came to him and assistant coach Clive Charles between the February 25, 1998, game at Belgium and the March 14, 1998, match against Paraguay in San Diego and said he had personal knowledge of an affair between U.S. team captain John Harkes and Amy Wynalda, the wife of U.S. striker Eric Wynalda. As a result, Harkes was dropped from the team. The U.S. would go on to finish in last place at the 1998 FIFA World Cup.

Dragan Mutibarić - He finished his career at age of 49 playing for FK Mikrogranulat Gostivar playing in Vardar Regional League.

Petar Nikezic - He is mostly known for his thundering shot, one of the best in Yugoslavia. When he played for youth team, he broke goalpost. Also, in a match with Crvena Zvezda, he injured keeper Ratomir Dujkovic, who tried to catch a ball which hit him in his neck.
He was free kick specialist with fantastic accuracy, not too much swerve, but he was mostly hitting goal, even he was sending unstoppable ground shots.
He was solid passer, and he could decently keep the ball to his feet. Not very fast, but was running a lot.

Slobodan Santrac - Slobodan Santrac is possibly the greatest Serbian striker in history. He started his career in OFK Beograd in 1965., stayed until 1974. and scoring 604 goals in 623 matches. Then he moved to Swiss Grasshoppers (66 goals in 96 matches), then went back to OFK Beograd for a season, after which he moved to Partizan Belgrade (72 goald in 103 matches). He ended his career in Galenika where he scored 88 goals in 117 matches.

He was player whose only job on the field was to score goals. He didn't try any attractive moves and dribblings, always trying to run off defenders and score goal. It was the only thing he was doing, but he was doing it fantastic. His goals weren't beautiful or powerful, but they were very precise, and he was scoring them with both legs, even with his head although he was small. He could score a goal from every place in the penalty area, with several defenders on his back.

Although he was the greatest striker, he didn't play much for national team, possibly because he wasn't playeng for one of the Yugoslav "big four" when he was at the top of his form. He got 8 caps, scoring only one goal.

Total amout of goals in his career is 1301, putting him side-by-side with greatest strikers in history - Arthur Friedenreich, Josef Bican, Pele...

Dušan Nikolic - Hardworking, probably one of the most heartfelt Red Star players in history. Persistent, combative, honest fighter, a synonym of combativeness and sacrifice, which was precisely because of those willing moments that he got the nickname Staja after the legendary English football player Nobby Styles. Man of the task, he was a specialist for the best players of opposing teams. He drove Mlinaric to madness, as well as Abid Kovacevic and others...

He played 307 games for Red Star (129 official) and scored five goals. He was among the most outstanding players of his time, and with the red and whites he was a three-time champion (1973, 1977 & 1980), won the Yugoslav Superchampion trophy and the Yugoslav Cup in 1973.

Miodrag Kustudic - "Sky Jumper" and goal scorer, a robust and physically strong leader of the attack, fantastic in the air and resourceful in a crowded penalty area. A British isles style of player, he also achieved many penalties, always executing them with ´paradinha´, and there was a legend about him that many of his head goals were really made with his fist...

153 league appearances, 65 goals, 1978 Yugoslav Cup trophy, 3 national team appearances, excellent foreign career in Spain, legend status at Hercules. He played the best games in his career in 1977 and 1978, when he was considered the best center forward in the country with Filipović and Halilhodžić and when he recorded his three national team appearances. In the match against the Spaniards in 1977 in the qualifiers for the World Cup in Argentina, the then coach Valok gave him an advantage over the two big competitors due to, as he explained, a better and cleaner jump. It was the jump game that was the greatest quality of the leader of the Rijeka attack at the time, who, like most Yugoslav attackers from that period, belonged to the category of anchor center forwards and whose action and radius of movement were limited mainly to the opponent's penalty area.

He wore the jersey of Hercules from 1978 to 1981, played only 67 games, but left an eternal mark in Alicante. He was the idol of the fans, they called him "Pepe" because it was difficult for them to break their tongue around his real name, and how much his 34 goals were engraved in the hearts of everyone in Hercules is best expressed by the management's gesture - entrance number 9 to the "Jose Rico Peres" Stadium is named after Miodrag Kustudić! The fans of the club from Alicante were delighted with his strength, which is why they gave him an interesting nickname - Tank. Kustudic was very good at jumping, and he won over Hercules supporters by celebrating every goal with them. In the Alicante team he had stood out, both on and off the pitch. However, he had created a reputation for himself as a wayward, problematic player, something that never left him during his time later as a Mallorca player. He had a tendency to gain weight, he did not take care of himself excessively and to lose weight and get in shape they sent him to run to the beach with a belt loaded with several kilos of weight. Despite everything, his quality allowed him to score many goals. Still, nobody can deny that he was in the top 50 of Yugoslav strikers of all time.

Just one of the comments reflecting his jumping ability:
"What a rebound this man had! I remember the front page in Tempo (one of the most famous Yugoslav sports papers), when Aleksandar Dika Stojanović (Red Star goalkeeper), jumping and with outstretched arms, takes the ball off the head of Rijeka's centre-forward. As far as I remember based on the measurement of "reflection from the place", only Praja Dalipagić (famous basketball player), Duje Krstulović (another basketball player) and Jovica Cvetković (famous handball player) had a couple of cm bigger jumper than him."

Damir Desnica - The unique legend. Desnica began his football career in Rijeka, and has played at left wing. Although he was an excellent footballer, he is best known for being one of the very few deaf pro footballers. He was one of the key players of team which has twice won the Yugoslav Cup, 1978. and 1979., and that played in the Cup Winners' Cup quarter-1980 His excellent play and navigate on the ground were especially good considering that he was deaf and dumb. Desnica, except for Rijeka, played several seasons in Kortrijk Belgium, and one for Pazinka. The Yugoslav team played once, 25 October 1978. in the match against Romania's national team, and is thereby achieved, and their only goal for the team. Right now working as a youth coach in school HNK Rijeka. Desnica, born Deaf, was that rare breed of Deaf person: a professional footballer. And here he was, a player for Yugoslav Cup winners, Rijeka, wearing the colors of Yugoslavia. Desnica enjoyed a decorated career, with Cup successes with a relatively small Rijeka football club battling the Big Four giants of the then Yugoslavia –Red Star Belgrade, Partizan Belgrade, Hajduk Split and Dinamo Zagreb—and, every now and then, putting them to the sword.
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V355D: https://www.sendspace.com/file/5eels2

Checks:
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- Bearzot, Bingham, Mike England are in the right place
- Slobodan Santrac has ability and history
- Petar Nikezic has ability and history

Just did about half of my playing histories as got distracted per above :)
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Slobodan Santrac aka the Serbian Kris Boyd :D
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Miodrag Kustudic an earlier version of later career Kris Boyd.

He had a tendency to gain weight, he did not take care of himself excessively and to lose weight and get in shape they sent him to run to the beach with a belt loaded with several kilos of weight.
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