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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Cam F wrote: Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:47 pm Crikey did someone not get their milk delivered this morning.
:lol: Wanting to open up discussion (or get someone to apply the International Callups patch to shut me up!)

Therew was certainly standing at Wembley around both curves. At a guess I would approximately a 50/50 split between standing and seating capacity.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Did somebody say international callups patch from the milk depot?

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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Btw, i am done for tonight but spotted so may things you could do Alan, Viv Anderson virtually only ever played right back so centre could be removed, Dave Watson played at right back a handful of times so right could be removed, Bracewell central midfield, hardly ever DMC until he was ancient , Phil Neal last played for England in 83 so he should be retired from international duty or very rare could be called up, retired at EOS, Lawrenson DLC, remove sweeper. Wembley 50/50
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Hi Cam, you are doing some stellar work. Don't give up on everyone else, we just don't all work at the same speed as you do! I've got a bit of time tonight so will try to get some more done, mainly focussing on international players in Africa.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Nice one.
I was looking closer at Lawrenson following the chatbox discussions from Sunday. Half of his appearances at DL as logged on Transfermarkt were in the first half of 81/82, during which time Alan Kennedy was often not fully fit. Four of the games with Lawrenson listed as DL have Kennedy also in the strating lineup, and I would be very surprised if Liverpool played ML on the left and AK in the middle of defence. My feeling would be for Lawro to have <10 for R andf L, and >5 for (D)MC.

With Bracewell I would say DMC is fair enough in the same way Vieira was a DMC during his Arsenal days. But he should be more DM15 M20 where as Peter Reid would be DM20 M15.

Also at Everton, John Bailey should be DL, not DC.

Some other small things I picked up on yesterday:
Both Wayne Fereday and Warren Neill have D, M and R as 20. Neill was a fullback, Fereday was a winger (occasionally on the left but mainly right). QPR were an interesting fluid side with Terry Fenwick able to move into midfield, or often from midfield into central defence, so they could be both 4-4-2 and 5-3-2 in the same game with very little fuss. Therefore, Neill and Ian Dawes should have WB values. Meanwhile Fereday should be AMR(L).

Jim Smith should have 4-4-2 set as formation - he only switched to 5-3-2 in 1985 for the second half of that season, and would thereafter primarily start witrh 4-4-2 once he moved to QPR (see above).

John Gregory is way overhyped in terms of reputation!

Ian Andrews played more games than Mark Wallington for Leicester. Wallington started the first 10 games, then Andrews took over.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Alan_v2 wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 7:32 pm Nice one.
I was looking closer at Lawrenson following the chatbox discussions from Sunday. Half of his appearances at DL as logged on Transfermarkt were in the first half of 81/82, during which time Alan Kennedy was often not fully fit. Four of the games with Lawrenson listed as DL have Kennedy also in the strating lineup, and I would be very surprised if Liverpool played ML on the left and AK in the middle of defence. My feeling would be for Lawro to have <10 for R andf L, and >5 for (D)MC.

With Bracewell I would say DMC is fair enough in the same way Vieira was a DMC during his Arsenal days. But he should be more DM15 M20 where as Peter Reid would be DM20 M15.

Also at Everton, John Bailey should be DL, not DC.

Some other small things I picked up on yesterday:
Both Wayne Fereday and Warren Neill have D, M and R as 20. Neill was a fullback, Fereday was a winger (occasionally on the left but mainly right). QPR were an interesting fluid side with Terry Fenwick able to move into midfield, or often from midfield into central defence, so they could be both 4-4-2 and 5-3-2 in the same game with very little fuss. Therefore, Neill and Ian Dawes should have WB values. Meanwhile Fereday should be AMR(L).

Jim Smith should have 4-4-2 set as formation - he only switched to 5-3-2 in 1985 for the second half of that season, and would thereafter primarily start witrh 4-4-2 once he moved to QPR (see above).

John Gregory is way overhyped in terms of reputation!

Ian Andrews played more games than Mark Wallington for Leicester. Wallington started the first 10 games, then Andrews took over.
Love it! It is really cool looking into these things, I know I do. Those players must have been that in later versions of cm as we haven’t got into that much digging team by team below top league.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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v196 available here:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/pom4wo

Added 293 players, all internationals from either Africa or Asia. Mostly based in their home country. It's a very broad brush, so I haven't got into detail for these players. Their ability is based upon the results of the country (e.g. qualified for World Cup countries have higher CA) and the number of caps they got that year (more caps = higher CA and HR).

Checks: Thomas Nkono at Espanyol
Hamid Alidousti at Esteghlal
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Taking db. Shouldn't take long.

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V197

https://www.sendspace.com/file/5szecy

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Brian Butler created
Paul Barnes created
Ray Mathias has loyalty 20
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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cool, taking db.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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kevinkeegansmullet wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:47 pm v196 available here:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/pom4wo

Added 293 players, all internationals from either Africa or Asia. Mostly based in their home country. It's a very broad brush, so I haven't got into detail for these players. Their ability is based upon the results of the country (e.g. qualified for World Cup countries have higher CA) and the number of caps they got that year (more caps = higher CA and HR).

Checks: Thomas Nkono at Espanyol
Hamid Alidousti at Esteghlal
Nkono is already in db at espanyol as N'Kono as he was named in cm.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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V198B: https://www.sendspace.com/file/6v6naw

Check:
Bobby Lennox 169 goals for Celtic
Jocky Scott 129 goals for Dundee
Bobby Clark 425 games for Aberdeen
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Cam F wrote: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:19 am
kevinkeegansmullet wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:47 pm v196 available here:


Checks: Thomas Nkono at Espanyol
Hamid Alidousti at Esteghlal
Nkono is already in db at espanyol as N'Kono as he was named in cm.
My bad, I've got a couple of players which I added but were duplicates of existing ones (with slightly different spelling). I'll have a recheck soon and try to delete any I find. N'kono is also in as a non-player...
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Shouldn't be, i deleted your dupe and the non player in V198.

There is now dupes same spelling of Roger Milla, Eugene Ekeke. A differene of a é in Gregoire Mbida and slight difference of spelling of Josephe-Antoine Bell.

All good though, i have the editor open when i do excels and check if they are there at the club i am editing, unless i am caught out by them be at another club.

Removed the dupes i found.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Did some manager research again to cover Holland and Germany. A few (big team managers) could already be in correct place, but most aren't.

HOLLAND
Aad de Mos (HOL, 27.03.1947): Ajax
Jan Reker (HOL, 03.06.1948): PSV
Thijs Libregts (HOL, 04.01.1941): Feyenoord
Leo Beenhakker (HOL,02.08.1942): Volendam
Nol de Ruijter (HOL,06.04.1940): Utrecht
Theo Vonk (HOL, 16.03.1947): Sparta
Hans Eijkenbroek (HOL, 05.01.1940): Roda
Henk Wullems (HOL, 21.01.1936): Go Ahead Eagles
Hans van Doorneveld (HOL, 09.09.1940): Haarlem
Piet de Visser (HOL,23.09.1934): AZ
Jo Bonfrère (HOL, 15.06.1946): MVV
Rob Jacobs (HOL, 15.10.1943): Excelsior
Bob Maaskant (HOL, 15.03.1938): NAC
Rinus Israel (HOL, 19.03.1942): Den Bosch
Co Adriaanse (HOL, 21.07.1947): Zwolle (PEC)
Han Berger (HOL, 17.06.1950): Groningen
Fritz Korbach (GER, 18.07.1945): Twente
Bert Jacobs (HOL,02.03.1941): Fortuna Sittard
Dick Advocaat (HOL, 27.09.1947): DSVP
Rob Baan (HOL,01.04.1943): ADO Den Haag
Henk Nienhuis (HOL, 11.08.1941): Veendam
Pim van de Meent (HOL, 20.11.1937): NEC
Henk van Brussel (HOL, 12.06.1936): Heerenveen
Foppe de Haan (HOL, 26.06.1943): VV Steenwijk
Jan Brouwer (HOL, 24.05.1940): Helmond
Adrie Koster (HOL, 18.11.1954): Eindhoven
Sandór Popovics (HUN/HOL, 22.06.1939): De Graafschap
Fred André (HOL, 31.05.1941): Telstar
Jan Notermans (HOL, 29.07.1932): Willem II
Clemens Westerhof (HOL, 03.05.1940): Vitesse
Arie Stehouwer (HOL, 08.09.1939): Heracles

GERMANY
Otto Rehhagel (GER, 09.08.1938): Werder Bremen
Jupp Heynckes (GER, 09.05.1945): M’gladbach
Diethelm Ferner (GER, 13.07.1941): Schalke
Erich Ribbeck (GER, 13.06.1937): Dortmund
Hannes Löhr (GER, 05.07.1942): 1.FC Köln
Aleksandar Ristic (YUG, 28.06.1944): Braunschweig
Manfred Krafft (Ger, 11.12.1937): Kaiserslautern
Helmut Benthaus (GER,05.06.1935): Vfb Stuttgart
Gerd Roggensack (GER, 05.10.1941): Bielefeld
Willibert Kremer (GER, 15.10.1939): Düsseldorf
Klaus Schlappner (GER, 22.05.1940): Mannheim
Werner Olk (Ger, 18.01.1938): Karlsruhe
Karlheinz Feldkamp (GER, 02.06.1934): Bayer Uerdingen
Rolf Schafstall (GER, 22.02.1937): Bochum
Dietrich Weise (GER, 21.11.1934): Eintracht Frankfurt
Jürgen Heinsch (GER, 04.07.1940): Hansa Rostock
Wolf-Rüdiger Krause (GER, 07.09.1944): Wolfsburg
Antun Rudinski (YUG, 01.10.1937): Freiburg
Uwe Kliemann (GER, 30.06.1949): Hertha BSC
Werner Biskup (GER, 26.04.1942): Hannover
Karl Schäffner (GER, 29.12.1931): Union Berlin
Dieter Tartemann (GER, 16.05.1944): RW Essen
Wenzel Halama (CZE, 04.11.1940): 1860 München
Uwe Klimaschefski (GER, 11.12.1938): Saarbrücken
Christoph Daum (24.10.1953): 1.FCKöln II (or/and make him assitent manager of the first team?)
Heinz Höher (GER, 11.08.1938): Nürnberg
Helmut Schulte (GER, 14.09.1957): St. Pauli
Dragoslav Stepanovic (YUG, 30.08.1948): FSV Frankfurt

OTHERS
Bortolo Mutti (ITA, 11.08.1954): Striker at Mantova, not manager at Palermo
Jürgen Wähling (GER, 06.12.1940): Aarhus
Josip Skoblar (YUG, 12.03.1941): HNK Rijeka
Domenico Rosati (ITA, 31.03.1929): manager at Palermo
Bert van Marwijk (HOL, 19.05.1952): AM/F LC at MVV, not manager
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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Created some histories for Italian strikers :)
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V199B: https://www.sendspace.com/file/acrxo0

Hope it's not me again doing number 200 :lol:

Checks:
América de Cali has 30 players
Deportivo Cali has 20 players
Millonarios has 23 players

These are all in the editor, not when you load a game as are in a non playable nation.

Added over a 100 Colombian based players :)

Next person change Stefano Rebonato loan end date to 01/07/85 not 84 oops.says on my

Did Ravanelli's awesome list.
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Taking the DB for a bit to remove duplicate players/non-players. I'm afraid changing loans is beyond my skill level for now. Is it possible in the editor tool?

V200- https://www.sendspace.com/file/8gsr0p

Around 100 duplicate non-players removed, mostly those who are aged 17-30 and have been added as players.

Checks- Dave Connell is no longer on the staff of of Galway United.
Toni (Antonio Munoz) is no longer on the staff of Atletico Madrid.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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kevinkeegansmullet wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:33 am Taking the DB for a bit to remove duplicate players/non-players. I'm afraid changing loans is beyond my skill level for now. Is it possible in the editor tool?

V200- https://www.sendspace.com/file/8gsr0p

Around 100 duplicate non-players removed, mostly those who are aged 17-30 and have been added as players.

Checks- Dave Connell is no longer on the staff of of Galway United.
Toni (Antonio Munoz) is no longer on the staff of Atletico Madrid.
Yeah it's in the editor in Cfg tab, really easy to change or can just amend in the player set up note pad, either or.
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Re: Retro Update Team - Season 84/85

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V201C: https://www.sendspace.com/file/2oyghq

Added lots of loans and some missing players in Serie A.

Can i ask as part of the checks handing over you list how many player configurations and compare when you hand over as there were missing ones between mine and the next one. It's Cfig column in editor.

Added just over a 100 Mexico based players.
Added just over a 100 Ecuador based players.
Added just over a 100 Paraguay based players.
Added just over a 100 Uruguay based players.

Checks:
372 player configs
Inter have 7 players out on loan
Harry McShane Man Utd scout

Some more players histories
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Cam F wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:20 pm
Yeah it's in the editor in Cfg tab, really easy to change or can just amend in the player set up note pad, either or.
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I see it now, thanks for the tip. I'm still pretty new to all this so every day is a school day. It's good to know how to manage that part and pay a bit more attention to it, it also means I can correct a couple of duplicates which I couldn't handle before :)
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V202: https://www.sendspace.com/file/le6wkm

Checks:
372 player configs
Grzegorz Lato at Atlante
Carlos Caszely at Colo Colo

Added players to clubs in South America to Colombia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Bolivia, Chile, Ecuador, Peru and Venzuela. Already did Argentina to what is available online and Brazil part done by Bruebous.

DB now has 18,718 players.

Seems very quiet this thread now, just little old me :)
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Cam F wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:09 pm Going to open this up as losing interest as just seems to be me mostly but really love it so will plod on slower.

Excel template - https://www.sendspace.com/file/asxida

If people want to help they could pick a non playable nation, in editor, filter clubs on that nation, then go through clubs one by one looking for squads.

What i do is use any of the below sites, get to squad page and copy the squad list and DOB into the notepad, then copy & paste into excel and make it fit the format of the excel template then insert it into db using the transfer tool, if people don't feel comfortable using the transfer tool, just upload it and we will. Any dupe players already in db don't need added to the excel. If you click on the player it will give a basic or defined position on these sites to put into spreadsheet.

You will get some special characters the game doesn't recognise, i can't be arsed trying to work out what are or aren't so just put them in then do a scan of players in db i have inserted as character not recognised will be a ? and as it will be a unique name you can just change it in editor and it won't wipe and existing name and all the same names if you do that on an existing name/surname.

https://www.worldfootball.net/
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/
https://www.footballdatabase.eu/fr/

I then use this site to get their caps right for that year.

https://www.national-football-teams.com/

Non playable nations to do
Europe
Armenia (part of USSR)
Azerbaijan(part of USSR)
FYROM (part of Yugoslavia)
Georgia(part of USSR)
Moldova (part of USSR)
Slovakia (part of Czechoslovakia)
Slovenia (part of Yugoslavia)
Belarus (part of USSR)
Bosnia (part of Yugoslavia)
Czechoslovakia
Estonia (part of USSR)
Israel
Latvia (part of USSR)
Lithuania (part of USSR)
Malta
Poland
Romania

Then rest of world needs covered.

Argentina and Brazil have been covered some. I did quite a lot of East German & Ukraine (part of USSR) teams but perhaps there is more to be discovered and added.

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I can help out with this - however I can't access the editor right now, so if someone is able/willing to give me a list of clubs from a country that needs doing please, I'll crack on with it today. If not, I can access editor tomorrow and make a start then (though might still need some direction with which countries to focus on, given the list in Cam's post is over a week old).
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Amazing, thank you Riise, i chose randomly a nation with a small amount of clubs so i could copy and paste.

Only 2 players in the DB playing in the holy land.

If you prefer another nation give me a shout.

I hadn't touched that list as was sunning it up in South America, some quite tasty nations in there, Romania, my next target but Poland and Czechoslovakia catch the eye for me. Guessing quite a lot of that legendary euro winning Czechoslovakia team will be about and Poland was really strong in the 80s.

Beitar Tel-Aviv
Beitar Jerusalem
Bnei Yehuda
Hapoel Beer Sheva
Hapoel Beit Sh'an
Hapoel Haifa
Hapoel Irony Rishon Lezion
Hapoel Jerusalem
Hapoel Kfar-Saba
Hapoel Petach Tikva
Hapoel Taibe
Hapoel Tel-Aviv
Maccabi Ako
Maccabi Haifa Has Ronny Rosenthal
Maccabi Herzliya
Maccabi Irony Ashdod
Maccabi Jaffa
Maccabi Netanya
Maccabi Petach Tikva
Maccabi Tel-Aviv has Avi Cohen
Zafririm Holon
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Thanks Cam, happy to give Israel a go.
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Cam F wrote: Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:09 pm Going to open this up as losing interest as just seems to be me mostly but really love it so will plod on slower.

Excel template - https://www.sendspace.com/file/asxida

If people want to help they could pick a non playable nation, in editor, filter clubs on that nation, then go through clubs one by one looking for squads.

What i do is use any of the below sites, get to squad page and copy the squad list and DOB into the notepad, then copy & paste into excel and make it fit the format of the excel template then insert it into db using the transfer tool, if people don't feel comfortable using the transfer tool, just upload it and we will. Any dupe players already in db don't need added to the excel. If you click on the player it will give a basic or defined position on these sites to put into spreadsheet.

You will get some special characters the game doesn't recognise, i can't be arsed trying to work out what are or aren't so just put them in then do a scan of players in db i have inserted as character not recognised will be a ? and as it will be a unique name you can just change it in editor and it won't wipe and existing name and all the same names if you do that on an existing name/surname.

https://www.worldfootball.net/
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/
https://www.footballdatabase.eu/fr/

I then use this site to get their caps right for that year.

https://www.national-football-teams.com/

Non playable nations to do
Europe
Armenia (part of USSR)
Azerbaijan(part of USSR)
FYROM (part of Yugoslavia)
Georgia(part of USSR)
Moldova (part of USSR)
Slovakia (part of Czechoslovakia)
Slovenia (part of Yugoslavia)
Belarus (part of USSR)
Bosnia (part of Yugoslavia)
Czechoslovakia
Estonia (part of USSR)
Israel
Latvia (part of USSR)
Lithuania (part of USSR)
Malta
Poland
Romania

Then rest of world needs covered.

Argentina and Brazil have been covered some. I did quite a lot of East German & Ukraine (part of USSR) teams but perhaps there is more to be discovered and added.

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Oh this sounds obvious but obviously for example you chose Lithuania clubs, any player created wouldn't be Lithuanian you would create them as Soviet/USSR.

Started Romanian teams also :)

Here is what i did for last teams, if people want an idea, i kept the 5 for home rep unless i could find their latest international history and put ca & cr the same or they look seriously crap, apart from that being doing what i was told, putting players as club rep, i.e club rep 6 make them 60, 70 if star player and if young reduding it by 20 or 10 depending on their age.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/seujfi
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I'll have a go at Poland and getting all the players ready for a transfer in.
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